using domain for your purposes. and i use to others upon command. that is how we talk about it. so, i get it. ok? i have no views on who may or may not have conducted the attack against -- with the stocks met -- with the virus, but my view is, it was a big deal. what i said is i understand the difference in destruction is dramatic but this has the whiff of august of 1945. somebody just used a new weapon. and this weapon will not be put back into the box. i get all of that. but you were probably were provoked, common of snowden suggesting equivalency between american and chinese cyber behavior. up there where you steal stuff, let me go on record. we steal stuff. we are really good at it. as director of the national security agency, i used to view that we were number one when it came to stealing stuff in the cyber domain. but we steal stuff to keep you free, we steal stuff to keep you safe. we do not steal stuff to make you rich. that is a big discriminator between ourselves and a whole bunch of other nationstate actors out there. tom? >> hi, general hayden. from npr. you seem to